Jedi vs BHs

[Bells]

I really enjoyed practicing with kree in potatoes today. I think you all should give it some time to try some new things in def and all and maybe practice with some of the people on the server. I know that we in Beast practice with each other all the time. It makes us better players and I am always learning something new. So before anyone rushes to change anything on dynamics maybe just have some duels and some fun and see what happens. I like what Snow said about babysteps, it makes sense to be prudent is my two cents as well.

[Awesome]

the other thing to consider here is, not every Jedi build can beat a melee BH. not all Jedi's are the same. if you find yourself dying fast to a melee u may have the wrong build for that. Jedi builds are very fickle.

[Gordlad]

Everyone has absolutely either missed or ignored the point of my original post all together. I have no problems surviving against a BH for a good 10 - 15 mins, which is no longer than a PVP fight should last. The problem I have is during that 10 - 15 mins I am able to do absolutely nothing to the BH. I miss about 90% of my hits against a BH. And those that do hit are hitting for next to no damage. I have +25 acc to all three sabers and even use the acc food and I still cant hit them.

As Blackbane stated, outlasting their stomach is impossible.

It was also stated that BEAST and the BHs are "looking for more interesting PVP". I would sure hope so. Because the state of Jedi vs BH pvp is ridiculous. This is simply put all I am looking for also.

No amount of practice or tactics is going to make my guy hit any more than what he currently does. I cant magically come up with a tactic to make my acc any better than what it currently is.

Back to my original post, a single BH vs Jedi fight was never supposed to be easy for a BH. Why the heck would have Sony ever implemented allowing 3 BHs come after a single Jedi if a 1 vs 1 was an equal fight. Here 1 vs 1 is no where near an equal fight and it is heavily swayed in the BHs favor. This is obvious that even BEAST agrees with this because in everyone of your posts you state how the Jedi needs to find tactics to defeat the BH. If it were swayed in the Jedi's favor then it would be the BH needing to find tactics and not the Jedi.

I guess what it comes down to is if this is a Pre-CU like server or a totally custom rule set server. The Devs or someone in authority needs to clarify this so that those on this server that are looking for a Pre-CU like server can move on to another server if it is not.

[Gordlad]

Interesting snipit from an old post I found.

That being said, you should bring a friend or few if at all possible or if you are not overly confident in your combat skills. Note: If the Jedi is a defender he is too powerful for a single BH.

[Kasper9384]

One thing I'd like to add as well : In my opinion, it seems the way things SHOULD be here are a bit flipped. Sure a jedi CAN beat a BH with a perfect build perfect attachments and perfect food and perfect timing. But is this really how it should be? Shouldn't we be hearing of legendary Bounty Hunters that can defeat a Jedi 1v1 instead of legendary Jedi who can survive a bh 1v1? (especially since BH gets to initiate , can have perfect prep, and can even have 2 friends with them) Tiny mops the floor with Kree even when Kree has most of her tapes (besides some state def) and food and Tiny isn't using any tapes.

[Gordlad]

That is my point exactly. The way it was on live was that a Jedi didnt have to "work hard and practice" to defeat a BH. It was the exact opposite. Again it comes down to how the Devs here are wanting to do things. If they want a live like experience we are the opposite.

[Kasper9384]

I'm pretty sure not even Awesome would survive most 2v1 BH fights and he's basically known as the best jedi on the entire server vs BH... and that's not even taking into account the potential third partner. (and he's also said he can't 1v1 Tiny with his current build. So if the best jedi on the server can't 1v1 a melee bh with no healing potential... thats a bit wacky)

[drogemeister]

I'm just catching the tail end of this, but I'm going to put my 2 cents in anyway. After talking to some folks on the server, I'm understanding that these BHs are melee BHs, correct? If so, then it's not about turning the tides or tweaking anything for BH. Jedi have always been weaker vs melee bhs because of the lack of defense they have or because of the Jedi's template. So let me help you guys a little here...

First, You DON'T have to engage the BH. As a Jedi, you have the option to fight or not. If you are a smart Jedi, you will have FR2 at the very least. If you see a BH coming, don't engage... run to the cantina or safe house. Then there are no issues. The BH will be forced to drop the mission and go get another one. This was a common thing for as long as I can remember hunting Jedi and I've been doing it since 2003.

Second, you need to understand how states work and also need to respect the states. If you think you can beat a BH while blinded and intimidated, think again. You will never beat a BH while blinded and intimidated. If they are smart, they are going to wait until you are almost at dead and then they will warcry you, which will stop you from using your ability for a few seconds. You also need to apply the same states, if you have them, on the BH. Always keep them blinded.

Third, you need to understand how to fight using your Jedi. In PVP, you always... ALWAYS using a 1h vs BH. Why? Because you can attack just the mind and most BHs can't heal it quick enough to stay alive. If you lose to a BH and you are not using a 1h, it's your fault you lost. Dervish and Flurry are great specials to use, but on a BH with medic, you are just making it harder on yourself.

And last, your template. A great build to use vs Melee BH is MLS, Master Healer, 4xx4 Defender and some enhancer for FR and force regen. You want master healer because you can clear off dots and states. You need to be able to take control of the fight and if you are constantly trying to defend, you will lose. Another good build is MLS/MDef, and 4xx4 Heals, so again, you can heal off the states. Don't worry so much about wounds or dots applied to you, because as a Master Defender, you get high state resists. It helps alot. I have a few other builds that work great, but I'll let you guys figure them out.

And one more then... In SWG, Jedi is not PVE. It will never be just PVE, ever. It's just not built that way. So if you plan on using your Jedi to do PVE and farm things, I definitely would take a good look at everything I just typed out... if that still doesn't help, delete your Jedi and start using a Defensive stacker instead.

I'll be introducing myself soon to the Jedi on the server... just know, you will need to be prepared or die.

- unknown BH

[Kasper9384]

Takes 3 seconds to clear states so by the time youre onto your next offensive attack after clearing states you're already re-stated with at least 2 things.

[drogemeister]

oh, some clarification with getting hit with those awful dots... if they are blinded, then they can't hit you... if they can't hit you, they can't dot you. Just remember that.