Jedi vs BHs

[Gordlad]

Ok so a little more info.

I just finished up a fight against Iceman. I fought him for hour and half to hour and 45 mins. Gotta say that was so much fun . I could have kept going with no problems for the entirety of my buffs which was another hour and 20 or so. Surviving against a BH is NOT a problem for me. The problem is hitting them.

I used 1h LS the entire fight, I have 100 acc with +25 tapes so a total of 125 acc. I used snow cake to add another 40 acc. I could not land states, kds or any form of damage.

People keep saying that maybe I need to look at different templates or maybe I am doing something wrong. Outside of MLS, there is nothing that I know of that would allow me to have more acc and therefore actually be able to hit a BH. As far as doing something wrong, to land states, I have one attack...it wont hit him. To KD, I have one attack...it wont hit him. Head hit...wont hit him. Saber hit...wont hit him. Seeing a pattern here?

So again I am trying to seriously figure this out.

All I am trying to get at here is that the BHs say they want a more interesting PVP experience and yet when I propose equaling the playing field where BH are no longer the "alpha" class when it comes to BH vs Jedi then everyone disagrees. Again this is NOt about me. I could care less about dying to a BH. The XP loss means nothing to me at this point. I am not a hardcore PVPer so I don't typically go out looking for a PVP fight. All I want is if a BH does come after me for me to be on equal footing with them. This is only going to help the server grow. Having a fun and engaging fight between a BH and a Jedi will bring people to the server. Having a one sided fight where the majority of the Jedi cant compete against the BHs will in the end drive people away from the server.

[Awesome]

lets assume Iceman has BH 3xxx/Mfencer/pistols xx44....lets look at untapped state defences:

def vs dizzy +80
def vs KD +100
def vs blind +80
def vs PostureDown +70
def vs stun +40
dodge +115

jedi have a huge prob fighting this type of build two fold, one jedi accuracy is +100 ( a tkm is +205) , secondly this doesn't account for food, tapes, or PSGs, after state defences exceed +100 they become nearly immune. Your best bet fighting this build is to keep your bleed on him and wear his food cycle down and hope his PSG breaks. Like the other poster had said, Jedi have second option, hit FR2 and get out of dodge, some fights cant be won, I cant beat Tiny, and to build the build to beat him, it would still be a horrendous 2 hour ordeal in which I could still lose if I make a mistake. If a BH blinds you continuously you will lose, run!

[Gordlad]

So basically since 90% of BHs go with a melee stacker build then they are unbeatable bu Jedi. And this is OK with everyone and considered balanced? Again, several people have said how they want a fun and exciting PVP experience and this is fun and exciting to them. I mean I guess so since they are the BHs afterall.

Again, I really do not understand why everyone keeps saying to wait out their food filling. Myself and several others have explained this multiple times.

Pikata Pie lasts 20-22 mins and filling is out in about 5 mins
Vasarian Brandy lasts about 30 mins and filling is out in about 20 mins

These are the two major ones that I deal with for PVP. Explain to me how you are going to outlast the BHs food cycle.

I say it for the 100th time now. What we want is an enjoyable and competative PVP experience between BHs and Jedi. You guys say you want the same but when it comes time to talking about potentially loosing some of the power of your BHs then all of a sudden that is not reasonable. You can not have both!

[Awesome]

how do you balance and unbalanced game? every server that's tried this in the past has gone extinct. none of the professions were designed to stack up against any of the other 30 professions. look at live back in the day, the Mrifle/CM/doc 3xxx template owned the battlefield until jedis came out and were able to heal off CM poo, and riflemen were negated cause saber block and jedi healing mind. There never was balance, so to try and balance it now will destroy and semblance of what SWG is/was. The fun I speak of reguarding pvp is the diversity u get from mixing stackers with CMs and rifleman, or commandos. The mix is what makes this game fun. To think if u can have one build do all isn't the way it works. for Jedi my build MLS/MFD/heal 3xxx/enh 4xx3 is about the closest to all around potential u can achieve, but I know even my template has very drastic limitations.

[TheTinyPebble]

Just to let you all know, we (the devs) are reading this and following it. We will need a bit of time to discuss and formulate a response.

[Gordlad]

Here is where I stand on this after several days of input. I wanted a fair and competitive fight between BHs and Jedi. This is obviously not what BHs in general are looking for. They want to be able to take Jedi unbuffed, AFK in cantinas, etc. They want an easy fight. I personally don't get this but it is what it is. This is NOT a knock against BEAST. I have had only had one encounter with BEAST and although they brought four characters after me while fighting in PVE encounter with my guildies, they have not used any of the above tactics used above. I have spoken with quite a few BHs over the last week or so now and they all seem to agree that they will do whatever it takes to get the easy kill. Again this is not competitive or fun in my mind but that is just me.

For those curious I did play a pretty successful BH on live for about 3 years. I played this game from early BETA in fact. I never once took out a young Jedi, I didnt go after Jedi that were fighting with their friends, I didn't go after unbuffed Jedi, nor did I use any of these other tactics to take out a Jedi. I used simply combat abilities and again I was pretty dang effective. I lost my share of fights and that was OK. If a Jedi put forth a good fight I wouldn't DB them just for the sake of a few credits. I was in it for the fun of the fight. I guess I use the same morals in game that I lead my life with.

Again, this is not directed at BEAST as a guild.

[TheTinyPebble]

I have had only had one encounter with BEAST and although they brought four characters after me while fighting in PVE encounter with my guildies [...]

I'd just like to point out only 2 of those had your mission, the other 2 had another mission and they expected (without checking) that he was killing stuff with you.

It might be a good scare tactic to just bring a bunch of buffed characters without the mission haha.

[Gordlad]

Again Tiny, I wasnt trying to trash BEAST with the statement. Rereading I might have come across that way. Was just stating facts. That and no need to use scare tactics for me. As I have stated over and over. I want the fight. I just want it to be fun and challenging for both sides.

[Bells]

As Tiny said , it was only two that had your mission. The other two bh expected your guildie to be there with you. We are the only two that turned red to you. Additionally , the Ruins of Kaas City require a group. We chose to all go together.

[blackbane]

The only issue i have is the food i have no other issue you guys keep saying outlast the food please tell me how . pikata pie last 23-25 mins filling last 5 mins tops 1 stack of 5 lasts 100 plus mins .