Jedi vs BHs

[drogemeister]

I've been reading up on this thread and heard some things in game. Gordland is or was using a 2nd Generation LS. Again, if you do not know your Jedi and the skills they possess, then you need to expect to be owned. There is no reason in your right mind that you need to use a 2nd gen saber vs a Jedi. No wonder you aren't doing enough. It all comes down to practice using your Jedi in pvp and figuring out how to use all of your resources available. I stress this again, you cannot cry about BHs if you don't know how to use your Jedi to it's full potential.

[Kasper9384]

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[Buzzo]

lol, bh's gonna bh and jedi are gonna cry about it, i know i do

[Mumbo]

I'm not sure heal and channel delay should be reduced.

[AlienForce1]

If Gordlad is using a 2nd gen LS that explains it all. Gordlad if you believe live Jedi had it easier than here you're wrong. This server got its base code from SWGEMU which emulates live, from there they modified it. Look at all the patch notes on this server and you will see in almost every patch an adjustment was made to make Jedi better. Now look in the patch notes again and find something for BH's. I can't find any. I'm trying to get 367 pve missions to have either a better loot table or better loot chances than 355 missions. 367's are much harder than 355's and the loot is the same. I've also been trying to get it to where AFK Jedi don't show on terminals. Either 1 of those won't affect Jedi vs BH battles but seem to be ignored. When Jedi ask for something it gets way more attention and often even gets implemented. So your case for this server being against Jedi can't be true. If you read the patch notes to this point you will see this is a Jedi orientated server so far.

If you can't hit a BH you're definitely doing something wrong. BH's use more than just brandy and exo wafers so yes they can easily fill their stomach and a BH with a full stomach is a dead BH. Some Jedi hit so hard that we have to use steaks or foods for dodge, accy or melee defense. I hope I can find you in game because you seem like the easiest kill on the server. I get hit by every Jedi I fight and if I don't watch my PSG and switch to a new 1 I die.

That's another thing, there are no anti decay kits on this server. On other servers BH's use the kit on a really good PSG and don't have to worry about it. PSG's are expensive. If a BH wants to go solo against a Jedi in a hour long fight he/she will go through a dozen PSG's. I decided to start making my own PSG's but the steel I need hasn't spawned in over 90 days. As it is now this server is setup to encourage at least 2 BH's to hunt a Jedi or run through many PSG's. The only problem after that is if more than 2 BH's are hunting a Jedi we have to split the reward so it's more viable to either do pve missions or make money with something besides BH'ing.

I believe this server has severely limited the loot chances on DOT weapons which is another indication its for Jedi, I haven't looted a dot weapon in months.

All the high end content has weakness to LS. It makes sense Jedi are hunted by 1 BH. In this timeline Luke is supposed to be the best Jedi but as it is now a full template Jedi is better than Luke. Jedi get the advantage of getting this high end loot at the cost being hunted by a BH.

I keep hearing that eventually bounties will be allowed to be placed on BH's. If that happens it will be another indication the server is for Jedi. Many BH's would switch from a Jedi killing template to a BH template designed for killing BH's with a Jedi killing template (mind boggled lol). At that point Jedi would be even more free and BH's would be penalized for doing their job.

It sounds like you need to farm Krayt's for pearls for a while until you can get a 4gen LS under 10 force cost with a good amount of damage. BH's do put states on Jedi so you will hit less but when you do hit it should be for a good amount of damage.

As far as BH's wanting easy kills it's true. BH's make their money by killing marks. Killing an unbuffed Jedi is a lucky day. BH's are supposed to be scum and have no morals. In real life I'm a nice guy. If I play my BH I'm not, if I play my rebel Jedi I am. I kinda role play with whatever toon I'm using.

[TheTinyPebble]

When Jedi ask for something it gets way more attention and often even gets implemented. So your case for this server being against Jedi can't be true. If you read the patch notes to this point you will see this is a Jedi orientated server so far.

If you had played a Jedi before those changes then you would've known why they were made. It was made so jedi were actually viable to use against anything harder than a rancor. Jedi receives nerfs too, and some of these nerfs benefit ranged BHs.

That's another thing, there are no anti decay kits on this server. On other servers BH's use the kit on a really good PSG and don't have to worry about it. If a BH wants to go solo against a Jedi in a hour long fight he/she will go through a dozen PSG's. [...] The only problem after that is if more than 2 BH's are hunting a Jedi we have to split the reward so it's more viable to either do pve missions or make money with something besides BH'ing.

Then don't go solo, BHing players was never the most effective way to get credits, and I have a hard time seeing why it should be.

I believe this server has severely limited the loot chances on DOT weapons which is another indication its for Jedi, I haven't looted a dot weapon in months.

Everyone cries nerf on the DOT weapons, we are at the same rate as Basilisk. This is no indication it's a server for Jedi, DOT weapons are much more potent in regular PvP than BH vs Jedi.

All the high end content has weakness to LS. It makes sense Jedi are hunted by 1 BH. In this timeline Luke is supposed to be the best Jedi but as it is now a full template Jedi is better than Luke. Jedi get the advantage of getting this high end loot at the cost being hunted by a BH.

If you play the content we implemented, then there are plenty of LS resists to be found. So by your logic Jedi shouldn't be able to be hunted while doing the new content, as they don't have the advantage here.

I keep hearing that eventually bounties will be allowed to be placed on BH's. If that happens it will be another indication the server is for Jedi. Many BH's would switch from a Jedi killing template to a BH template designed for killing BH's with a Jedi killing template (mind boggled lol). At that point Jedi would be even more free and BH's would be penalized for doing their job.

If you are against this, then you should speak up in the appropriate thread. Complaining about it on random places on the forums is no way to get attention to it. It has been announced that player bounties will make be implemented since July 26th, and the details on how it works have also been put forth. You say you want more content for BHs, but you are against it when this content is implemented.

[Andy]

Having a one sided fight where the majority of the Jedi cant compete against the BHs will in the end drive people away from the server.

gordlad say this and i can only agree on this quote, on a second note where has all the bh's gone i used to be hunted daily on Ziva now i never se shadow of them not a single one and im starting to worry now where has all the bh's gone ?

[Awesome]

I got a visit the other night by 3 BHs, they are still here nice job to the gank squad that came after me, keep it up!

[Jat_1668]

I absolutely get what the original poster is talking about. I get it. I really do. I also feel that a full, properly template Jedi should be next to unstoppable against a single bounty hunter. I really do wonder what goes through a BH mind when they pick a my mission. Is it trepidation, fear, joy? Do they think it will be a piece of cake? How many have skipped over my mission because they thought, "That son of a bantha is going to take 3 hours to kill."?

The uber weapons that a BH use are a bit much. It's not like I can pound on anything with a gen 4 saber for very long. Let alone put on a dot that strong. The devs decreased the drop rate of those weapons. Before the change, they dropped rather frequently and there are plenty in peoples houses just gathering dust. You can't really go in and change the properties of those weapons. I mean you could...but man would that take a few months. querying the DB for each weapon and then analyzing it and then making the change field by field...ugh. So we're stuck.

A bit of advice when fighting a single BH. Use your 2nd gen low FC saber to wear down their PSG and steak/wafer. When their stomach if full, switch to your 4th gen one hand and smack their head. Make them use more PSGs. Make it so expensive for them to fight you that they will think twice about it.

If you can't hit a BH with an accuracy of 165, then there must be a bug. No one should be completely miss-able. Back of the napkin math: Melee defense and dodge cap at 125. Add in some center of being. Pikatta pie will give ~40% chance to dodge. Im not adding in snow cake.
A MLS has a 76% chance to hit the BH. If you are blind, you have a 26% chance to hit the BH.
(Maybe a cooldown similar to the one on knockdowns should be applied to states in pvp?)

Out of 100 swings, you will hit 76% of the time.
Out of 76 hits that make it through that calculation, ~40% will miss because of pie.
45 hits make it through that.
Now lets apply dodge. 105 dodge is a 22% chance.
35 attacks out of a hundred hit.

Lets put a blinded state on you.
Out of 100 swings, you will hit 26 times.
Out of those 26 hits, ~40% will miss because of pie.
15 hits make it through.
Now lets apply dodge. 105 dodge is a 22% chance.
12 attacks out of a hundred hit.

If you take into account you are using Snow cake(+40), your chances to hit get much higher. Against the same defense, you will have a 66% chance to hit while blinded.
Formula used :http://swg.wikia.com/wiki/Weapon_accuracy_equation

Then after all of that you have to apply the PSGs to the damage reduction to your 2nd gen LS. You will hit out of 100 seconds 35/12 times for about 200-300 points. That could give the illusion that there is no damage being inflicted when in fact there is. Am not saying there isnt a problem here.

There have been times where Ive been hitting a BH and the damage was very low. But then after that their belly was full, they had to run. Cause I would switch to my 4th gen and pound on them for 700points per second through their PSG and they go down in moments.

Now lets talk about those weapons that the BH uses. They are a pita. The reality is that they are either a crutch for poor pvp or they enhance to unstoppable levels those that are great at pvp. They should be the exception not the rule. Do I think that the players who have them should be forced to turn them in? But there are enough on this server to ensure that no matter what the drop rate is now, they will always be on the server. So we need to plan for it. There will always be super weapons.

I think some testing is needed. I would like to view a fight between you and a BH.

But there are improvements to jedi that could be made. I think there is a strong case to be made for melee/range damage mitigation 3 being added to MDef. I think that the FC on lightsabers should be lowered and or the damage increased. I can make a TKM that does as much damage as my jedi with a gen4 and can sustain that damage output indef. I think that force armor/absorb should have their FC reduced to zero and their inital FC increased and their duration decreased. I think that saber block is too high and needs to be spread out through the LS tree. Just wait until I post about Force Powers.

I think BH should be viable with ranged weapons. You should be able to master BH and a ranged weapon and not expect that 80% of your attacks will get blocked.


However!
A MLS/MDef should be reasonably certain that they can beat any single bounty hunter but one spec should not be able to combat all environments and situations.