Wampa ruins BE

[Bradekes]

So I haven't been playing on this server very long. I really enjoy it and have been having a ton of fun!

One big glaring issue is the Wampa pet. It is level 68 at max level but has the stats of something about CL120. The fact it also gets medium armor is crazy. The problem is that it makes my little BE pets kinda look like complete chumps. No one will buy a BE pet with something like that available.

The only thing I could see people buying are level 22 pets to pair with their 68 Wampa for max CL90 with Mountain Clan race.

I am not exactly asking for anything in particular for BE to be changed and I wouldn't want to come here and get this Wampa pet nerfed as I am sure many CH on here are enjoying theirs. I just want it to feel like BE is even semi worth it as there is nothing I can make that is comparable. The highest HAM I can get is 18k compared to 55k of Wampa on a pet and the damage is like half that of a Wampa and pet levels is like 70 vs the lower 68 of Wampa.

Thanks for hearing me out!

[Ciciulaz]

More than a nerf I'd suggest the possibility for BE to make pets comparable to Wampas, in the meant of HAM and Defenses. It would also give the possibility to CHs to increase the variety of pets usable and not only sticking to Wampas, and in the meanwhile making a BE useful for pets also.

[Xordium]

Wampa does not ruin BE at all. BE is just fine. There are some really good CHs on this server and they are not using wampas bar AFKing faction. CH and BE are not easy mode they require time and effort to learn to do properly. Good luck out there.

[Bradekes]

Just because people can choose not to use a Wampa doesn't mean it isn't affecting the classes associated with pets. It 100% does affect BE pet sales and even the desire to care enough to even look at BE pet merchants. Who is going to look for BE pets when you can have a pet from the wild that costs nothing and can tank better than most classes in the game.

[Xordium]

As a pet seller on the server for over a year I've not had any significant sales impacted by wampas. The people who buy the pets understand it's limitations and want what a BE pet can offer. Loads of people look at and buy pets and that's why I've been able to finance a whole city for over a year on their sales. I suggest you take the time to learn BE and CH properly then you can advise potential customers on the advantages from a knowledgeable position.

A major part of being a good BE is adapting if you can't adapt to the wampas being in the server then you are going to struggle with being a BE.

[Bradekes]

I might be wanting more from BE than you... The best weapons in game are 99% player made... The best pets in game should be player made as well... That is not the case... And maybe sales aren't hurt because people still like to buy pets for aesthetics and house decorations but I want to be able to make combat pets that compete with what's available in the wild...

If you are okay with mediocre crafted pets than okay. I understand that Wampa are static in their available special attacks and they cannot be customized like BE pets but who cares about single target dmg pet when you can have a pet that tanks and AOE spams nests and doesn't die doing so. Sure a BE can make really good non-CH pets or good lower level pets, but IMO the higher level pets should be bringing the most to the table not the lower level pets.

I think my focus will be making the best possible level 22 mountable pets to pair with Wampa, good non-CH pets, and furniture pets as that is really the only logical path to take. And I am guessing that is where you make the majority of you money as BE.

The fact is, even a novice CH shouldn't be focusing on getting good BE pets for leveling up CH as a level 8 pet is perfect for grinding CH to master CH outside of Theed getting 2k exp per spider kill is crazy fast exp.

[Xordium]

I think my focus will be making the best possible level 22 mountable pets to pair with Wampa, good non-CH pets, and furniture pets as that is really the only logical path to take.

Good luck with that - I've never seen anyone bother with that before. You may have found a nice niche there. I'll stick to making pets that can solo MBH missions, DJM, Faction turrets, etc. That's more what I do.

[Bradekes]

Well that is not bad either. I know you can sell pets with 100% lightning resists for BH missions and such, which is great I guess. I just think it is completely bonkers that I can get DNA from Wampa and make a pet with lower dmg, much lower hit chance, lower HAM, and less natural armor but then is somehow higher level than the wampa I sampled from. Seems completely backwards if you just take a second to think about it

[Xordium]

No it's quite simple the wampa is given a pet level by the devs the pets you create from it are given a value derived from an algorithm that weights their HAM and damage and derived a number.

I don't like the wampa because it makes for lazy CH who then say things don't work when they try and face tank everything they then QQ here about CH and BE.

It's not enough to say I know the 100% electric pets are possible. The fact was that opportunity was recognised. The product was then made. The product was then marketed. That's what you need to do.

The harsh simple fact is wampas can not do end-game content. BE pets can. Therefore, they both have their place. This is not a BE/CH server there are far better servers for that very specific niche. This is a server that focuses on community/events/custom content and on that they deliver in spades.

[amalie]

Nerfing the wampa means nerfing the DNA that allow us to make high level pets that do other things a wampa cannot.

No, we can't hit HAM as high as wampa, or hit damage as high. And we shouldn't. It's right there in the code: a DNA stat will not go over 1000 in a player created template. It's gated there.

Wampas are pure damage sponges and are useful in that role. But they are still only one weapon in the arsenal. I hardly ever use mine, but he's fun when I need him.

I make pets to fill the niches that the wampa cannot. I make custom pets for players who understand that one cannot use a hammer on a threaded bolt. I use my pets selectively and strategically. (Except for Nugget.. he gets thrown to the wolves, poor dear.)

I work hard to achieve CL 75 with damage ranging from 800-840 (850 being top) with area attacks. 60/60 kin/energy etc. I don't always acheive those specifics perfectly but my end result is still (usually) a sturdy weapon. My pets tank & AOE spam nests and don't die unless I do something dumb.

If all a player cares to do is to point at a lair and strafe or whatever.. well that is their playstyle and goal, and the wampa is perfect for them. So unfortunately you aren't going to sell much to that person. Making low level wampa buddies is a good niche, I hope you are profitable.
I will appreciate the wampa for what it is - a gift